Episode 185 – Microsoft Teams for Personal Life

- Welcome to Episode 185 of the Microsoft Cloud IT Pro Podcast recorded live on July 1 2020. This is a show about Microsoft 365 and Azure from the perspective of IT pros and end users, where we discuss the topic or recent news and how it relates to you. In this episode, Ben and Scott diverge from some of the business and enterprise features available in Microsoft Teams and talk about recent updates to the mobile client that allows you to use it for personal chats and group chats, task management and other personal group collaboration both with family as well as friends.

- Woo hoo.

- Woo hoo? Why are you excited? Because it's July 2, and you know what that means?

- That it's almost July 3.

- Yeah, it really means absolutely nothing to you and I. Means that today's tech... or tomorrow is technically a vacation, so we're recording on Thursday instead of Friday because someone wants to sleep in here.

- Who? Your wife-

- Someone not being me.

- Your wife and my wife?

- No, are you kidding me? My kids get us up way too early. I haven't slept-in in a long time, and my youngest has figured out how to climb out of his crib, so he just comes wandering into our bedroom at random times during the morning now.

- Ah huh, that's always fun.

- Yes, he is not saying anything or nor can understand that he has to stay in his bedroom until a certain time so he just climbs out and wanders around the house till he finds somebody.

- Well, I just hope he finds you before he finds the mess in the kitchen or whatever else...

- Yeah, well so we had-

- Parent's mind.

- We have a two story house so we have gates upstairs, so as long as we remember to shut the gates he can't get downstairs, he'll just stand at the top and grab it and rattle it, if he can't find us upstairs. Usually we're still upstairs and he finds us in bed. I think this morning he walked over to his brother's bed and was like ah trying to wake him up to get someone to play with him or something.

- Perfect.

- Yes, fun times.

- Always fun.

- That's all you got.

- That's all you got?

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- I got a new toy.

- Oh, you did get a new toy, that's what July two means, it means your new toy came yesterday.

- Yes it does.

- What's your new toy? I already know what it is.

- Yeah, well I'm getting on that Intel Mac train cause it's a good time to do it, right?

- Right before it pulls out of the station,

- Yeah, yeah.

- Never to be seen again.

- B&H had some good discounts on MacBook Pros the other day and I've wanted to get back to the Mac for a while, so this was an opportunity to pick one up so I just did some little things, massive, it weighs about a million pounds, you lied to me. 16 inch MacBook Pro.

- Very nice.

- Just the base model because I don't computer the way you computer.

- I will say you will be happy with it. And frankly, who cares if it's a beast and weighs a ton because realistically, where are you gonna take it right now? From the bedroom to the kitchen? Cause for the last four months, that's about all the further you've been traveling.

- Yeah, yeah, I know, but it is massive. It's really nice, like I forgot how nice Mac hardware is. Keyboard's great; I didn't have to go with that crappy whatever keyboard they-

- The Vendored keyboard?

- Or whatever thing they had before, trackpad's awesome. I really missed Mac trackpads and gestures and tools like BetterTouchTool, which everyone should buy because it's awesome.

- Yes, BetterTouchTool magnet.

- Uh, what's magnet?

- Oh, you're missing out, go find magnet in the App Store, or you're gonna turn it into the Apple podcast. Sorry for all of our fellow Microsoft people that don't use Mac's....

- Yeah, they all should.

- So did you get used to the window snapping on Windows where you can like drag it and let it snap to the top, or the right side, or all of that?

- Yes, that's what better snap tool is for.

- Yeah, so you can do better snap tool, I like... IOS is not the correct link.

- I already-

- It's in the App Store.

- Yeah. I already did better snap tool.

- So I had better snap tool, and I tend to like magnet better.

- What do you like about magnet better?

- Looks a little bit more like power toys, than better snap tool is.

- So I don't know do I have... And it honestly may have just been that I started using it first and I get used to how I had magnet organized. Does better snap tools let you like double click on the top bar to get your full screen and can you replicate all of the windows 10 snap functionality in BetterTouchTools?

- As far as I know, yeah, I can double click to go big or go small and drag to corners. So snap to top, snap to left, snap to top left, bottom left all those kinds of things.

- I can't remember what there... there was something that I ended up on magnet over a better snap tool, but I have no idea what it was.

- And you can do custom snap areas, like make custom zoom areas and all those things.

- Yap, and I have keyboard shortcuts for mine too. I use keyboard shortcuts a lot to snap them to different parts of the screen.

- Yep, better snap tool does all that too.

- Yeah, who knows? I have no idea at this point in time, but I actually own both of them and I have BetterTouchTool and Alfred

- Yeah, I'm gonna try and go with just the regular launcher for now, which I know is a dumb idea but...

- Yeah, it really is, you gonna go by Alfred.

- So I actually bought all this stuff a long time ago and still have it, and it's the beauty of the Mac App Store although I don't know how developers make money there since I can just go download all my old things.

- Well, that's not a whole lot different than Windows, right?

- Well, it is different than Windows cause I would never buy software in the Windows.

- Buy software for Windows?

- Well, no, you buy software for Windows just not in the Windows Store. So there is a difference there. So yeah, I get that going, Parallels was on sale yesterday, and just been setting things up, Reader, it's nice to have life back.

- Oh, here's another one of my new favorite tools that I've used for a while. But they're going to subscription model which kind of irritated me. Have you ever gotten another separate clipboard manager?

- So I've used a Pastebot in the past, was thinking about going back to that.

- Okay, so I have just... There's a Paste clipboard manager. So it's not Pastebot it's just Paste and it does... like as a whole clipboard manager, but then it also has apps for all the other ones. So the same clipboard manager links and clipboard are on all your devices. So natively in Mac you can just copy and paste from one to the other, this does the whole copy but then you have the whole clipboard manager history on every single device.

- That's a Windows thing right there.

- That is yeah, copy link. Okay, there you go, there's my clipboard manager that I use.

- Yeah, that's-

- That let's you categorize links and all of that. So I have links like my business address, that are just saved in their own categories so whenever I need it, I just have all of that stuff handy in different categories.

- Hmm, Gotcha.

- Yeah.

- That was my new fun thing which led to a whole... Yeah. An evening of me being locked away from my wife, well, she's like, "What are you doing?" "Setting up the new computer." The FedEx guy was funny too-

- Priorities.

- It was set for my sign for delivery-

- Ah huh.

- Not a problem to be home for delivery, but the FedEx guy came and knocked on the door. So I go and open the door and he's standing there with his pad and I'm looking at him and I ask, I said, "Do you want me to sign?" and he looks at me and he goes, "Scott?" I said, "Yes" He goes "Nah we're good." I was like, "Huh?" Well, "Oh, okay." "Got it."

- Have you ordered any pizza since the whole lockdown for delivery?

- No, but we have done delivery from a couple different places.

- So we just got like Papa John's the other day, and it's interesting cause same type of thing, like they'll come up to your door and... We have a Nest doorbell so we can kind of watch some of the stuff. Like they pull the pizza out of the pizza carrier that's keeping it warm, they put the pizza carrier on the ground in front of your door, put your pizzas on it, and then like back up six, eight, 10 feet from... or ring the doorbell and then they back up like six or eight, 10 feet from the door and you open it and they're like "There's your pizza, and you can reach down and pick it up." And it's like this awkward wave of "Hi I can't even really come close to you so it's a good thing I gave you a tip on the credit card otherwise I just have to kinda throw money on the ground for you." And then you close the door and they come back and pick up the pizza carrier that the pizza was sitting on and all that and it's interesting.

- Yeah. So the weird thing I've noticed during these times... I don't do a Nest, we do a Ring doorbell, but nobody uses the doorbell. They all walk up, they're all still recorded, it's got a big light on it, like it's lit up, like "Push this button" and people still don't use the doorbell, they still knock on the door, kills me. So speaking of doorbells, we had an interesting issue with ours the other day, it wouldn't stop ringing. I don't know if it got stuck, or if there was a software glitch or something, but someone rang the doorbell and for the next half hour, every five minutes, our doorbell would ring and it wasn't just that the doorbell would ring, like the app would alert us, cause that triggers an app in the alert, so our phones are like, "There's someone at the door." We're like "What? There's nobody there." And then we just sat there and watched cause we didn't know if it was neighbor kids messing around or something. And we're like, "Turn off, there's nobody coming up to our door and the doorbell just keeps ringing." So I went out, rebooted the doorbell and it's been fine since.

- Things that you don't hear in the past, "Had to go outside and reboot the doorbell."

- Yes. So with all of that, we're very easily getting distracted at the beginning of our episode lately.

- Let's impart some knowledge. So, there have been some deprecations going on. You remember Open edX?

- Open edX? No.

- Have you ever taken an Open edX class?

- Nope.

- I bet you have. So lots of learning partners use Open edX as kind of a MOOC for courseware delivery and Open edX runs on Microsoft Azure and it used to be a big part of Microsoft Learning properties. So if you ever went and bought a class in the past, like say you were gonna go... you know, do your Azure certification or you were gonna do like your MOS certification, whatever it was.

- Did you really just say my MOS certification?

- I know you have a MOS certifications stop.

- I do have a MOS certification.

- Stop, I know you got a MOS certification.

- I Wonder how many people know what MOS is that listen to this.

- Everyone should know what MOS is, not the stuff that grows on trees, but the certification.

- Do you realize what MOS was 10 years ago now?

- It's not that bad, come on.

- I mean, Scott, there were people that might be listening to our podcasts that were like 12 years old 10 years ago. And they're now working in a professional industry. There may be people that don't actually know what MOS is.

- All right, well moss is the stuff that grows on trees. But anyway, if you've ever taken a Microsoft certification, you may have run into Open edX or some of the courseware that comes out of there, whether it was watching videos or reading articles or things like that. Open edX is going away, it's being collapsed into Microsoft Learn. So the impact there is, if you ever took a course in Open edX, it is time for you to go sign into it. So it's oxa.microsoft.com, go sign into Open edX and specifically the Azure version of it, and go download all your certificates or complete any of your in progress training and things like that, cause it is all going away on July 31 and it does not appear that it is going to be automatically migrated as far as your certificates or status and things like that, over to the new Microsoft Learn, which is where everything is being consolidated to.

- Interesting.

- So like me, I have an Azure Fundamentals certification over there, cause I was playing around with Open edX at one point.

- I'm gonna have to go look up that and see if I have anything in there cause I had missed that. So how much noticed are they on this whole habit of giving people a month notice before they kill services?

- Well, let's see. I got this email on July 1 at 11:36 P.M. and the service will be retired on July 31 2020. I can only go by the email that I have.

- One month notice, kind of like another service. I don't use it, but it raised some news with Mixer getting killed off with a month notice.

- Yeah, Mixer is going away too.

- And that one, again I don't use it, I don't care a whole lot about it, but I have heard it made some people very upset and the fact that they're transitioning from Mixer to Facebook gaming just is an interesting dynamic on top of all of it.

- You think?

- And that's all I have to say about that. Was there something else getting deprecated too that I have missed?

- No. Well, I don't know, I'm sure there's always something else, things come, things go but,

- But?

- But, but, but, but, but. Enough, that's about it. Got a Mac, Mixer is going away, Open edX is going away, it's July, prepare yourself.

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- So we could talk about this too, Microsoft's push into the personal space with everything. If we wanna go news we had one other topic we're gonna talk about, but some of the news is kind of interesting too.

- Into the personal space, like personal Teams?

- Like personal Teams, and did you see this article, I'm going to send it to you right now, about "Bringing the power of tasks into your personal life to stay organized." Did you see this one too? So we can talk about personal Teams, so let's start with personal Teams.

- All right-

- What are personal Teams?

- I I'll be darned if I know. So the Teams client, the mobile client specifically recently gained a capability where you can now sign in with an MSA account and not be signed into a Teams tenant. So in the past, you could absolutely sign in with an MSA, a Microsoft account, a regular consumer Microsoft account, as long as that Microsoft account had been invited through B2B sharing and or whatever they call it-

- Right, cause you can essentially use a free Guest account-

- Yes.

- Into Teams.

- Yes. So like, in my case, you took my Gmail account you added it into a team inside your tenant and that meant I could sign into Teams theoretically with my Gmail account-

- I could say, but everything broke.

- Yeah, like I said, theoretically, don't ever change the username for your MSA folks, and, you know, interact that way. But now what happens is, if you sign in with an MSA on a mobile device, so I've only tried this from my iPhone, just to kind of see what it was all about, and the experience and sign in experience, things like that, you'll be presented not only with your list of tenants, if you are part of a tenant with your MSA, there will also be another option in there that's called personal, and if you sign into personal, it doesn't present you with any tenant level features, but you can do things like chat and video calls, back and forth with other MSA accounts.

- Yeah, so, and it gets really interesting, I think you're in the same boat. I have a personal account and a Microsoft account that both have the same email address.

- Easy IDs.

- Yeah, so I'm signed into both and my Teams tenant, so I have like a personal one, that's my personal one then I have another one that is a tenant tied to that Microsoft account. It's really weird. But yeah, this personal thing is interesting and we were talking about it just from a pure technology standpoint, because, as we've talked about before, so much of this stuff is driven by office 365 services, like how they're doing all this, what's always going on in the background with these personal tenants because you don't really have an office 365 tenant that everything is tied to. So as I go through my chats, I'm guessing they're just... often some Azure Storage files are pulling from my OneDrive, my calendar is most likely pulling from my personal calendar, but then as you invite other people to join-

- See, your calendar is not pulling from your personal calender-

- Isn't it? I don't have anything in my personal calendar, everything is in my work calendar.

- I have a lot of stuff in my personal calendar and there's nothing in there.

- There's nothing that pulls from it.

- Unless it would specifically be pulling from my Outlook calendar, which I don't use.

- That one... Yeah. So calendar does not pull from it, but there's no like underlying Teams tenants so as you invite... cause you can invite other people to collaborate with you. The idea is now you can use Teams for scheduling stuff for the family, for sharing files with the family or with friends, making calls, they now actually have a tasks option in there: "Hey, Scott said hi to me."

- Yes, but which-

- Shawn wants to chat with you

- But which Ben did I say hi to?

- That was my personal one.

- Nice.

- Is that the one you meant to talk to?

- I don't know, I just typed in Ben and it let me send it so it's doing some contact discovery and things too, which is cool.

- Right, but it's kind of interesting because... Like I'm assuming if you share files in a chat, it's just automatically setting up some sharing on OneDrive. But it's gotta be implementing Teams slightly differently under the covers because of that.

- Yeah, it's a different type of experience so go into that chat that I just started with you on your iPhone.

- Yep.

- So you'll have the chat tab and then there's the whole Dashboard tab at the top there too. So if you go into dashboard, then I can create a shared calendar, we can set up a safe, which is a place to securely store sensitive information like passwords and IDs in your own personal safe. It's protected by encryption.

- Upload a file, so we're gonna play with this, we're doing this live while we chat. What can I share with you? Here's the picture I took of myself from a drone. Preparing the file. The following kit... Oh, interesting. Okay, so get this Scott, I just went to share a file with you, and it said the following characters are not allowed: backslash, colon, star, question mark, quote, greater than, less than, pipe, pound, and percent sign.

- That sounds familiar, doesn't it?

- No, because those are all allowed in one drive now.

- No, those are allowed in one drive for SharePoint.

- Not one drive personal?

- I don't know if one drive personal still has the character restrictions.

- Okay, lemme go try to find... Here, here's a PDF manual for Scanbot. Uploading. So where is it uploading it to? Because I think the files it gave me the option to choose from, were already in my OneDrive. So I added a file to our Files tab.

- Oh, now you've done it.

- And I don't know where it uploaded to.

- So it does give us... It's like Teams functionality than it's chat. So it's like on-to-one chat, but it still has-

- One-to-one chat or one-to-many chat. Now, here's the thing, mixing up the words when you go into the chat in the mobile app and you're signed into a personal account, your first prompt is to go to the chat tab and tap here to create your first group, which is really a group chat, not an office 365 group but anything else that you might have thought was a group.

- So can I add other people to the group chat you started?

- Sure, try it.

- Nope. I don't think so. Chat dashboard. Ah ah, I cannot. I can add a calendar-

- I guess I can create a new group chat. I don't know.

- I can create a new one, but I can't add anybody to the one you started. So there's no real sets of Teams, it's just chats and if you create a group chat, or one-to-one chat, is what it appears.

- So anyway, I think it's handy if you're in the Microsoft ecosystem... the personal ecosystem, say you buy Microsoft 365 home, or you do like Microsoft 365 family, you've got everybody set up with Office already, maybe you're doing some of the safety tools, things like that, now you have the ability to also do one-on-one chats, specifically in the Teams client on a mobile device, cause I don't know when this is coming to the desktop or if they've said that.

- I have not seen anything about it coming to the desktop, I will say my one annoyance with all of this, just...

- Your one and only one?

- Okay, fair point. Is that I have... So all honestly, I have, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, I have 14 additional tenants, I am all a guest in, in Teams, and this essentially creates what appears to be another tenant in Teams. So I still have this whole problem of tenant switching invisibility into what's actually going on in that personal chat, because I have to essentially log out or switch orgs to go see the personal stuff now.

- Yes, yeah. No good solves for you there.

- No, and until they like switch the tenant switching or fix the tenant switching so it's not as painful to switch between tenants, it's gonna be kind of an annoyance.

- Yeah. I mean, it's easy on mobile. It's rough on the desktop though. Right, and since this isn't on the desktop, it really doesn't matter at this point in time.

- Right.

- But they came up with that announcement, when was that? Like two weeks ago now or so? I think it first showed up two weeks ago, week ago, so on June 25, they made this announcement that they're bringing the power of tasks into your personal life to stay organized. Interesting enough, this was posted by the Planner team. So the Planner team put this blog article out there within the whole Planner blog, so it's all Planner based and it's a new feature in the whole personal Teams environment that lets you organize and share tasks with friends and family, but then they go on to say that it's important to note that Planner is still an enterprise only app so while it helps power the new tasks Teams feature for personal use, Planner doesn't support personal Microsoft accounts. So it kind of follows the whole pattern of this personal thing is that under the covers, it's using these office 365 features, or I don't know, if it's API's that it's using, It's like not the full Planner app, It's just using a portion of it to power tasks in this whole personal, we can use personal Teams environment, I guess.

- Sure, let's go with that.

- Let's go with that? So that is a new one that if you had seen the personal Teams and had played with it, you may have missed that you can now do tasks in it because it didn't come out under the Teams and I don't know if they posted something under Teams too, but I ran across it on a post under the Planner blog.

- Yeah, I haven't seen this one yet, at least on the on the Teams side.

- So we can now keep track of our podcast checks. I was reading a text from my wife and she needed the checkback and tasks have checkbacks, check 'em off. We can keep track of our podcast tasks in the Teams app with our personal chat.

- Yeah. So let's see, if I add a task Say what, "Ben to do something" done. So now we have a shared task list between us. So if you go and check off, do something, I wonder if I get a notification. I don't know, let's find out. Chat. Oh, nope, see I'm out of my personal tenant, now I'm getting alerts from my corporate one again. Switching, I have switched, Chat: "Scott created a task list." Shared task" "Do something." So it shows up in my chat as a notification with a do something. And in here, I can go assign it to somebody, I can assign it back to you, apparently.

- You can assign it?

- "Assign it to myself." I have just assigned the task to myself: "Do something, I have a due date, important notes or add a checklist item." Okay, I assigned it to myself and I completed it. Saving, checked off, I'm up to date. Ooh, well, look at that. "Hey Scott, you do it."

- I can't.

- Oh yeah, when you just create it, you can't do anything.

- No, nope, you can't, you gotta create it, click it, go back into it.

- You go back into it?

- And then the cool thing is, it's all broken now.

- I just assigned it to you.

- Yap. If you try and mark it as important, it just beach balls, or does the spinny logo thing. Some work to do there.

- Yes, "Add a shared calendar", I don't know where that gets created. Chat details create a new group chat. Yeah, I can I can block you. I can't add anybody to our group chat. I can only create a new one. Hmm. So that is the new personal experience in Teams.

- Well it is quite personal.

- It is, it's interesting. I mean, I can... again, like you said, if you're in that ecosystem and you're in Teams all the time, and you do want to like pull your family into there, I guess you... So this is still the weird thing to me, is you're still just creating a group chat. This really resolves around creating chats.

- It does and it's an interesting framing so I'm trying to think of the way I would potentially use something like this within my house, or some of my family members might use it and the answer is we wouldn't, we already have one-to-one chat inside of things like Facebook Messenger, or iMessage, or WhatsApp, you know there's already a bunch of that stuff going on, we can already share calendars, we've got a family calendar that's already shared across everybody. We're already sharing location, task list is already covered. You know, it's an uphill battle I think to win some mindshare there.

- Right, I would agree because we're in the same boat we've had a shared calendar and we're on that Apple ecosystem if that hasn't been apparent, and we have like a shared calendar and a family account and do everything through the iCloud and iDevice ecosystem but even before that we had... we have a family calendar in outlook. Remember Windows Phone actually had something like this, it wasn't built on Teams, but you could set up a whole family, essentially a group for a family on your Windows Phone that gave you a shared Outlook calendar and a shared OneNote and all of that kind of hosted out of your personal account. So this isn't the first time they tried this, this is the first time they've tried it that it hasn't been specific to a Windows Phone. So we shall see but I agree with you, I think there's been so many ways and so many different ways to do this already that it is definitely gonna be an uphill battle to win any market share and gain much traction here.

- Yeah. What do you even call it? Teams...

- Well that's just it, cause I was like if I create a family...

- Teams for your personal life. That's got a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

- Yeah, it does.

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- I don't know... Well, that's what I was struggling. I'm like, "What do I create for my family?" Cause I'm not really creating a group for my family because even if you wanna share all the stuff within your family, you have to create a new chat first.

- Mm hmm.

- So do you have the ability to add somebody else to our chat?

- I do not.

- So, here's the other part this is all gonna fall off the wheels. I create a chat with my wife and my kids aren't old enough that they don't have a phone yet-

- Oh, wait, hold on. It's confusing, maybe I can. I can go into the settings for a chat and then I can hit "Create a new group chat." And then it takes me and fills in the two line and then I can add people but i don't know if i added someone if they would be able to see. We need more friends with MSAs and quite frankly, we don't have those. I guess I could add one of my kids. I could add one of my kids accounts.

- You could, cause if you can't add other people to it, to get the history like what happens if a family member gets old enough that they get a phone? Or you have another kid that needs to be added? Like you kinda need the ability to expand the group chat to other people and not just start a new one.

- Yeah, I would tell you to go read the documentation and see what happens but-

- What documentation?

- Documentation is scant.

- I have two blog posts about this.

- No, well, there is a landing page for it, for Teams for home. You know, it's the hero page but that's just about it. And I call it some use cases "travel planning made easy." Did you know that Teams gives you one place for your group to organize itineraries, packing lists, assign tasks and more? Makes planning easier than ever. Family organization on the go. It can be one app for work and for life. That's it, I don't want my personal life mixed with my work stuff.

- Huh. I'm gonna have to play with this but maybe I'll have to add my wife's MSA account in one and see where we can go. But it is, I will say it's interesting to check out, I can see some of their points about use cases, in terms of one place to put everything if you're traveling with a group. That being said, I still think it's an uphill battle to actually get people to do that. There's a lot of great products that have a lot of great use cases but if nobody uses it, the use case doesn't really matter. That makes sense? Kinda like what we saw-

- just a little bit.

- I'm kinda going back to what we talked about last week, where Microsoft did a lot of stuff, but around the phone space, and they did some stuff that other people have since copied. Microsoft had use cases, they had a great product, they implemented it, but they didn't get any adoption with it. Somebody else can implement the exact same thing and have the exact same use cases and actually get adoption with it, just based on how well they implemented it or all of that. So I think that's kinda where I'm going with this. I see Teams having great use cases, I can definitely see potential for where this could be helpful, but I don't know that it's implemented quite right in a way that's going to gain a lot of traction.

- Well, I mean, I'll let you know once all those people start chatting with me through Teams on my personal account.

- All right. Maybe if we post our personal accounts in the notes, people can go add us and we can feel special because people added us to their personal group chat in Teams.

- I will put your email address on the internet. Don't worry.

- All right, I'll update it with yours right before we publish too.

- I feel like that's a dangerous escalation.

- Yeah, probably. Okay, with that, Scott, that was a bit of a different episode.

- Self assured mutual destruction; that's what we've come to.

- Yes. All right, well, I'm gonna let you go. Today just kinda went off the rails in our episode. We'll just leave it at that and next week we will be back with more relevant Azure and Microsoft 365 stuff. Probably the topic we were going to talk about today and failed to get to because we got distracted with Teams personal.

- Yes, there we go. Azure stuff next week, you got it.

- All right, Azure stuff. Should we give them a preview or let everybody be surprised?

- Ah, let's let-

- Well, let everybody be surprised.

- Yeah.

- Okay, perfect. Sounds good. We'll you enjoy the weekend. Scott, enjoy the long Fourth of July holiday here in the U.S.

- You too, enjoy your socially distanced Fourth of July with everything shut down.

- I'm gonna do absolutely nothing for Fourth of July, except light our fireworks out in cul-de-sac.

- Yeah.

- I think-

- That's probably the safe bet.

- I'll watch fireworks on TV.

- Hamilton tomorrow morning at 3 A.M. Eastern.

- I am not gonna be watching at 3 A.M. Eastern, but maybe I'll do it over the weekend.

- All right. Well, we'll compare notes then.

- Okay, perfect. Sounds good.

- Thanks, Ben.

- Thanks, Scott.

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